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Is there any way in which the big shows could economise and thereby allow entry fees to go down?

Created: 24/06/2010


Reviews

Kitty, 29/06/2010

More revenue might be made from paying for benching but refunding for those who acutually use it. At a recent show I had to fight through two different breeds both in adjacent rings as they had completely blocked the entrance to my breed. Do you need a gazebo at the ring?

As with lots of functions expences could be reduced if people were fair and many know that they are wasting money ordering the most expensive menu and having fancy rooms etc paid for, if you are here for the enjoyment of dogs then you don't need anything like that just to be able to say 'look how many people value my opinion' should be payment enough. But as others have said entries dwindle under a uneducated or 'face' orientated judge. Again a loss of income for a Show.

Davy, 27/06/2010

Well written Trysori. Certain judges,do not believe they have to abide to rules or laws of the land because the masses continue to show dogs under them.

When exhibitors,wake up and don't contribute to their expenses maybe the Kennel Club wll wake up too and treat all exhibitors and judges equally.

Davy, 27/06/2010

Well written Trysori. Certain judges,do not believe they have to abide to rules or laws of the land because the masses continue to show dogs under them.

When exhibitors,wake up and don't contribute to their expenses maybe the Kennel Club wll wake up too and treat all exhibitors and judges equally.

Trysori, 27/06/2010

Davy how true of the UK judges. They do not know one breed standard from another yet the same"chosen few" award tickets week after week at each show, only their breed varies. One week they may have a terrier and sighthound, the next a utility and a working. Time and time again I have said they need to have a comprehensive written and hands on exam before being allowed to judge, full stop. And every 3yrs a compulsory training day attendance to prove they have retained their breed / s knowledge they are passed to award CC's in. Some of them do not even know the basic skeletal and muscular structure of a rat let alone a dog! As has been proven when one did not know where the 2nd thigh is, another claims the pin bones are the spine, and the shoulder in one bone from wither to elbow! In my breed we had a mega famous "named" judge, not a specialist in my breed. I was told beforehand he would walk down the line, stop at each dog, look at the dog, then look straight up to see who was at the end of each lead. He did JUST that, and though placed me well was extremely dismissive and down right rude. And his placings reflected who he knew, very obviously. For these judges it is a profession, I wonder how the tax man views their "expenses" and freebies as in the business world these are classed as taxable income.

Davy, 27/06/2010

I have been to shows in Holland and what a difference. Organised,clean, friendly staff and not overpriced. Obviously,there is a greater pool of judges,worldwide to pick from. However,look at the Irish shows,they also choose a lot of judges for one show . Airfares,hotels ,bar bills? and very little back to the exhibitor,who pays for the judges holiday.
AS FOR THE COMMENTS BY TRYSORI. Lots of these judges have never passed an exam etc. which the Kennel Club make aspiring judges sit for cc level,yet are seen week after week judging different breeds in the U.K. and Worldwide. No level playing field and this is what they want in THE U.K. AND Ireland,if not elsewhere! Either nobody has to go through the hell to award CC's or everybody past and present have to.If not ,exhibitors,should not support the old guard judges,who look down their noses at us mere underlings!!

Trysori, 27/06/2010

The World Show could give all here a lesson in how to treat exhibitors - particularly Crufts (hello KC !!!). Organised, polite Dansk KC reps, excellent and cheap camping (28 euro for the duration), trade stands had their own halls and you did not have to trapse through them to get to your ring. Unlike Crufts where you feel like an afterthought, officious KC green coats strutting around glaring, and the only other staff are bored NEC daily staffing the doors and car parking. Yes Fifi, some were as predictable as here BUT at least you felt apart from the WW titles for us most stood a fair chance of winning or high placings on merit and were given a fair going over by the judges.
No benching obviously, and it is far far better without. Dogs seem happier, everyone is organised (I don't know why someone thinks they will camp out in the ring - may be in your own breed but most respect the other exhibitors. Everyone sets up in an orderly fashion, breeds stay at their own ringsides (note to small breeds and Afghan folks here who take over every space of all ringsides regardless if it is their ring or not). First dog so much for entry, say £22, but subsequent dogs of same owner half that. And yes the same little elite band of judges who yet again are assigned to every show in the UK every year. Get rid of them.

Fifi, 27/06/2010

Very good thought too Spotty !
I wonder if the World Show Results were as predictable as some here ?

Spotty Muldoon, 26/06/2010

Actually, I've had another thought. Not original to this forum, I''m afraid! I think most of us would pay the premium prices to get a fair crack of the whip. Fed up, fed up, fed up of looking at the judges list, predicting the results and being proved right! Why would any of us waste our money on that? The proof is in the entries on the day. And don't believe the hype that says "only 20 dogs down on last year". Absolute rubbish. It is corruption and not cost that is keeping exhibitors from shows.

Fifi, 26/06/2010

Attract sponsorship would be my first thought.

swarke, 25/06/2010

Benching I agree, should be booked, not that there is ever enough room around the benching area for the big breeds. Then maybe the cost could come down and more to the point the huge cost when entering 'Not for Competiton' £14.50 at some shows and when you have 2 dogs that's a huge £29. They say don't leave your dogs at home, well give us a reason why, and at least make NFC uniform over the country and a sensible price of £5 per dog! I also agree travel lodges would be good for judges!

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