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Exhibitors revolt after new Bath fee ‘bans’ legally-docked dogs

11 Mar 2010 08:02

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EXHIBITORS of legally-docked dogs are livid that Bath CS has decided to charge a £4 admission fee, effectively banning them from the championship show.
Secretary Ben Ford said this week it had been a ‘pretty unanimous’ committee decision to do so.
Mr Ford, who has Old English Sheepdogs, whose first show as secretary this will be after taking over from Keith Nathan, said he had replied to everyone who had contacted him on the matter.
“I am definitely going to speak to the Kennel Club – I am the new boy and I am being bombarded with emails over this,” he said. “One person said they were going to take me to the European Court of Human Rights.”
For the last two years, he said, the committee had put in the schedule that there would be an admittance charge but that it had been rescinded at the last moment.
“I can’t tell you why because committee business is confidential,” he said. “But from a personal point of view I would say there are two sides to the coin. Some of the people who own traditionally-docked breeds and who no longer dock are being discriminated against. In a line-up of docked and undocked dogs the judge always seems to choose the undocked one. I would say that certainly is true in my breed, with inferior specimens sometimes being put up.”
But according to one source, the consensus of the Bath committee is that the practice of docking is cruel because the Government has deemed it so, even though ministers thought it less cruel than working dogs injuring their tails in the field.
Mr Ford said the committee would be monitoring entry figures and finances at the show.
“We will be tracking every single aspect of this to glean information on how many people are not at the show,” he said. “So far, 23 people have said they are not coming and we will equate this with revenue losses.
“I do feel sympathy for those who have legally-docked dogs, because if it goes on this way they won’t be able to go to any championship shows. I wish I could resolve it in some way but it was a committee decision and that’s it. Certainly since the Government banned docking it has become an unholy mess.
“All we can do is run this show, analyse everything and see what we can do about it. We can only do our best. If I’m not standing in the European Court of Human Rights at the time I will run the show the best I can.”

Tail damage


Among the many who have made their views known are Sharon Pinkerton, Maxine McCullough, Sue Harris, Christine Guest and Penny Simpson.
“For ‘welfare’ reasons we still dock our breed due to tail damage when working,” Miss Pinkerton said. “Nearly two years ago we had an undocked litter of which three have already had their tails amputated as adults due to recurring tail damage. Three others have experienced continuing tail damage which still may result in amputation. So we have tried to leave tails and our dogs have suffered badly because of it.
“The whole issue of docking is considered to be a welfare issue so why allow adult dogs to go through a major ‘amputation’ due to an injury which could have been preventable?”
This is all legal, she said, so why was she being ‘victimised’?
“The KC statement on schedules reads ‘open to all’ but some shows clearly are not, and openly discriminate towards the exhibitors of legally docked breeds,” Miss Pinkerton said. “Bath owns its own showground and expensive venue costs are not an issue, so why does it need to charge admission? Get societies to publish their balance sheets so we can see how much money they make on shows and where ‘our’ money is spent!
“Does Bath have representatives on its committee from all groups, ie do we have a gundog representative on that committee?
“Without exhibitors/dogs there would be no dog show and nothing for the public to see. Committees are put in place to hold a dog show; it is not a circus, spectacle or fair. All credit to Darlington, Blackpool and Paignton for changing their admission charge; at least they are putting together dogs shows for everyone.”
If it was a question of finance, she concluded, there were other methods of raising funds such as car park or catalogue charges. To allow legally-docked dogs to take part there could be free entrance on gundog day only.
Maxine McCullough said she was ‘shocked and disappointed’ that the committee had reversed its decision to allow legally-docked dogs to enter the show.
“Last year many working HPR owners/breeders supported this show as Bath dropped its policy of charging admittance, hence allowing legally docked working HPRs to attend,” she said. “It seems this year they do not want ‘fit for function’ HPRs who can prove their ability in the show ring as well as being very capable working dogs gaining field trial/working test awards.
“This to me seems a somewhat bizarre decision given the current claims of the general media suggesting that ‘show dogs are unfit, unhealthy and not fit for function’. In my breed alone there are at least 20 legally-docked dogs unable to enter Bath under the current policy. I would have thought that Bath would want to support the working HPR and our campaign to be allowed to continue to show and work our dogs. Sadly it seems not.”

Numerous pleas


Sue Harris said charging a public entrance fee was a retrograde step.
“Where other forward-thinking societies are looking for ways in which they can continue as an ‘inclusive’ society, Bath CS has decided that the ever-growing number of legally-docked dogs are simply not worth supporting, despite the numerous pleas from individual exhibitors and judges alike.
“I am in the process of accepting notifications from fellow exhibitors who would have entered this show, and would likely have bought a catalogue and refreshments while there had they have been made welcome by this society. Currently the list of lost entries is growing at an alarming rate...
“I am inviting all exhibitors to advise me of the number of dogs that would have been entered should they have been allowed to, in an effort to ascertain the number of actual entries lost as a result of this short sighted decision.”
Christine Guest said: “At the time of writing I have three dogs I can show who are docked because they are truly dual-purpose and ‘fit for function’. In the past I have supported Bath with entries from one or the other and occasionally both of the breeds I own, Spinoni and Wirehaired Vizslas. How sad that I am unable to support this year’s show and possibly future shows because I might ‘offend’ a member of the paying public with my working, fit for function docked gundogs.
“As a point of interest, my younger Vizsla had her tail ‘amputated’ at 17 weeks under full anaesthetic due to tail trauma, not because I wished to work her.
“I am very proud of the fact that I own and occasionally breed a good looking dog that I can work and show. The HPR owners have striven to keep their breeds dual-purpose without the split that we have seen in other gundog breeds; what a shame this split is now being forced upon us and we have to choose work or show.”
Penny Simpson said: “Last year I sent a letter to DOG WORLD thanking Bath for not imposing a ban on docked dogs, so I am very disappointed to hear that despite a number of dogs entering who otherwise would not have done they have gone ahead this year and put a charge on the public entering.
“I was always led to believe that competitions were put on for the competitor not for the spectator, particularly when the competitor pays such a lot of money just to compete.
“I trust that Bath will see the error of its ways and do what is right by its competitors; after all no competitors means nothing for the spectator to watch.”

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    1

    What am I missing? What has charging an entry fee got to do with docked dogs? Don't people have to pay (lots!) to go to Crufts and spectate? Why should any other champ show be any different? I'm definitely missing something. Please someone, enlighten me!

    Posted at 08:29 on 13 Mar 2010 by
    Spotty Muldoon | Report as inappropriate

    2

    AS an HPR (vizsla) owner of over 20 years, after much heart searching I took the decision not to dock my latest litter, partly as an experiment. Interestingly one pup was born with a damaged tail and the vet who attended after the birth, which was in itself straightforward, is anti docking and was not willing to remove the broken section, as she was concerned that the RCVS would censure her for it. As a result the puppy had to undergo a surgical amputation (with the OK from RCVS) at 9 weeks - which would have been better for the puppy? I do nevertheless reserve the right to change my mind and choose to dock in the future. On principle I would not enter any show such as Bath, who, by charging an admission fee, are effectively removing the element of choice for those owners who choose to continue legally docking all their dogs. As the Kennel Club is putting its all into the 'Fit for Function' campaign, is it not hypocritical to continue to charge for Crufts entry knowing full well that where the KC lead, others can justify following? Come on KC - lead from the front, find a way around the admission fee and either campaign for this silly rule to be removed or admit that you don't really want or care whether truly dual purpose dogs are seen in the rings at Championship shows since the majority of working dogs are still being docked. When I first came into the breed, the one element that attracted me was the fact that there ws absolutely no distinction between show and working dogs, practically every breeder did both. Do we really want two separate breeds, one for work and one for the show ring? I certainly don't. Either you should be able to legally dock or not. Why should the fact that Joe Public pays to enter be at all relevant. This is just another example of half baked legislation and as someone who has recently joined the KCAB scheme (warts and all) in the hope that things are better improved from the inside, in my humble opinion one place to start would be for us to encourage the KC to get this sorted. Whatever peoples' opinion on the merits and demerits of docking, I believe this anomaly to be totally wrong and should be addressed now. Rosemary Frost

    Posted at 16:13 on 14 Mar 2010 by
    tavaszuk | Report as inappropriate

    3

    To answer post 1, it is illegal for legally docked dogs to be shown at a show where the public have to pay an entry fee.If Bath didn't charge the public, then legally docked dogs could be shown. Apparently, legally docked dogs performing demonstrations at gamefairs for example, are legal even if an entry fee has to be paid by the public.

    Posted at 10:15 on 15 Mar 2010 by
    Whiptail | Report as inappropriate

    4

    Thank you Whiptail. I knew I was missing something and that was it! I get it now. I am very sympathetic to tavaszuk's detailed comments, especially regarding the docking of a newborn's damaged tail versus putting it through a surgical procedure later on. But, the law is the law, and the entry fee can be seen as a way of enforcing it. If you customarily dock and you are keen to show in the UK, then something has to give. Either you have to stop docking or stop showing. And campaign for the law to change, maybe? Wasn't this legislation brought in to stop the butchery that goes on in backyards and puppy farms? And yet the law applies to us all.

    Posted at 12:57 on 15 Mar 2010 by
    Spotty Muldoon | Report as inappropriate

    5

    Looks like the Kennel Club may have fallen foul of this one with their friends for life participants. Treo, the hero explosives dog who helped to keep our soldiers safer(er) in Afghanistan appears to be docked. Consequently, he shouldn't have been in the main ring on Sunday night. Had Sergeant Heyhoe, his handler been asked to do a quick demonstration of Treo's abilities, then as I understand it, no breach of the law would have occurred, but as he didn't do a demonstration then it did. Now I may have got my facts muddled here but it just shows how tricky this whole thing can be.

    Posted at 15:05 on 15 Mar 2010 by
    Whiptail | Report as inappropriate

    6

    I too may have got my facts wrong, but, every so often in the Kennel Gazette they publish the names of dogs who have been legally docked. So, doesn't this mean that they slip under the rules? The owners have advised the KC, therefore it's ok? Just as I am "allowed" to show a neutered dog, because I have permission from the KC. When is a rule not a rule? When it's managed by the KC, seems to be the answer!

    Posted at 17:54 on 15 Mar 2010 by
    Spotty Muldoon | Report as inappropriate

    7

    There are two elements, the KC rules and the law. The law is clear that no dog docked after the ban can be shown at a dog show where the public pay an entry fee. The list in the KC gazette is for dogs intended to be shown at KC sanctioned shows with no admission charge. It's more to keep a check on current state of play than anything else. On tavaszuk's post, I'm forced to wonder what the situation would be if someone not intending to work their dog wanted one of her docked puppies. The issue may not arise as she may make a point of only selling to people looking to work their dogs. My understanding, however, is as it would not be legal for the dog to be docked if it was not intended to work and it is effectively illegal for a docked puppy to be sold to an owner not intending to work it.

    Posted at 11:39 on 17 Mar 2010 by
    convict 225 | Report as inappropriate